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== Prod that you left for me ==
<div style="color: #375787;">'''Thanks for being here!''' This wiki does not exactly follow the same rules as the other Wikimedia projects, since it is ''not open to all'' for editing, and in case of disagreement, the organ of decision will be the Board. A rule of thumb however is that if we gave you access, that means ''we trust you''. So please, do not be shy in editing this site. There is ample work for everyone :-)</div>


I have no objection, and have deleted it myself. Thanks for calling my attention to it; I'd quite frankly forgotten that page existed. [[User:Philippe (WMF)|Philippe (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Philippe (WMF)|talk]]) 22:28, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
* All organisational pages may be found in the [[:Category:Foundationwiki organisation|special category]].
: Great, thanks. :-) --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride|talk]]) 01:30, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
* For those willing to help with translation, please see [[m:Translation requests]], specially its subpages /WMF, /WMFNews and sometimes /quick translation.
:: Well the page isn't mine so is better go talk with Jay, but I have no problems with you deleting it :) [[User:Beria|Beria]] ([[User talk:Beria|talk]]) 01:54, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
* Please watch for feedback on [[m:Wikimedia site feedback|Meta-Wiki]] and start discussions there.
::: Yeah, I've been notifying anyone I notice in the page history. The talk page section can be re-used for future deletion notifications, which is nice. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride|talk]]) 02:53, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
* [[Wikimedia:Welcome|More about this wiki...]]
</div> '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 03:12, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


== local files ==
== Margins on homepage ==
They can all be moved to commons. Commons wasn't quite stable yet back in 'ought four :) [[User:Sj|Sj]] 00:31, 18 November 2009 (UTC)


Hi. You seem to be the wikicode whiz-kid for this site, so I'll float my idea to you. Do you think the [[Home]]page of this site would look better with a negative top-margin, similar to the [[w:en:Main Page|English Wikipedia's Main Page]]? I reckon it'd look a little less, well, amateur than it does now. [[User:AGK|AGK]] ([[User talk:AGK|talk]]) 09:44, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
== [[Template:Blogbox]] ==
: Hi. I'm not sure what you mean. "margin" usually refers to a CSS attribute. As far as I can tell, the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=544903339 current version of en.wiki's Main Page] doesn't use a negative margin anywhere. It does, however, have a hidden &lt;h1&gt; (page title). This is not done with margin hackery, but instead is done via [[w:en:MediaWiki:Vector.css]] and [[w:en:MediaWiki:Monobook.css]]. Is this what you meant?<p>Related: [[Talk:Home#Recent and upcoming changes to Home (March 2013)]]. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride#top|talk]]) 01:04, 19 March 2013 (UTC)


:: Ah, then yes, using a hidden level-1 header is what I meant. (I'm sure that Enwiki's Main Page used negative margin at some point, perhaps years ago.) I'll make my proposal at the Home talk page. Thanks, [[User:AGK|AGK]] ([[User talk:AGK|talk]]) 10:59, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Template:Blogbox is brocken ! --[[User:Kaganer|Kaganer]] 23:34, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
:Looks fine to me. What's broken? --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 03:13, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
:Never mind. It seems the [[mw:Extension:RSS|RSS]] extension doesn't really behave well with interface languages other than English. It should be better now with a redirect at [[Template:RSSPost]]. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 19:52, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
:[[bugzilla:26479]], for reference. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 20:00, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


== feeder.py ==
==Go ahead==
And delete all you wish. As the name suggest, /temp it was :). [[User:Notafish|notafish]] [[User Talk:Notafish|}&lt;&#39;;&gt;]] 11:04, 18 March 2013 (UTC)


== Question ==
I went to see if the blogbox needed updating, and I got this pleasant surprise. Thank you, it makes things easier :) [[User:NonvocalScream|NonvocalScream]] 15:19, 3 January 2011 (UTC)


I just noticed the more than one thousand pages in Category:Proposed Deletions. Can I ask why? I get the urge to clean-up, but it seems like in deleting pages such as [[Donaciones/EUR]] we may be removing history that we could need later. That sort of page was enormously helpful to me when I ran the fundraiser, in piecing together some of the history that I needed. [[User:Philippe (WMF)|Philippe (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Philippe (WMF)|talk]]) 07:00, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
== Press room page request ==
: Hi.
Hey MZ - thanks for helping with the news template widget for the WMF wiki. I used it today, and it's a nice improvement. Do you think it's possible to set it up so that it auto updates [[Press_room]] as well? I know the formatting is different, but I'm fine with using the same info layout (it's the same info) in the news template, then have it auto update the press room page as well. Would be much simpler. Thoughts? [[User:JayWalsh|JayWalsh]] 16:09, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
: They're old and unneeded pages. What about <https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Donaciones/EUR&oldid=8078> was helpful to you? It looks like a standard credit card input form. It's got two edits, both of which are trivial.
:I think it'd be cool to have a proper interface for adding press releases written in jQuery. Something with large, clear input fields that can be documented. I'm not sure I'll have any time in the foreseeable future to write such a script, but it'd be neat. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 18:38, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
: Generally, here's what I see:
:* not much, if any, historical value in most of these templates and pages: they're mostly unoriginal text and designs that are duplicated a zillion times for every country and currency and that haven't been touched since they were used in a particular campaign (or test);
:* anything valuable hasn't been marked for deletion and is available on Meta-Wiki or in the template namespace here;
:* a massive store of pages (we've built up donation pages from 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011);
:* a lot of broken or partially broken pages (notice the extra &lt;/div&gt; here: [[Ecwårlaedje]]);
:* more worryingly, a lot of pages still present what appear to be working input forms (or [[Ecwårlaedje|make your check payable to this random address in Florida that nobody has used for donations since 2005]]); and
:* this wiki still allows raw HTML, so not being able to figure out what in this uncategorized, unlinked, pile of pages is legitimate and what was legitimate eight years ago (in terms of where these forms submit, what addresses are used, etc.) can actually be problematic, if you know what I mean.
: And, of course, I believe most of the live infrastructure has been quietly moved to payments.wikimedia.org at this point. And with all of this, which should really just amount to me being able to say "housekeeping," there's a 30-day wait period and everyone is getting notified of the impending deletions via talk page note (which should trigger an e-mail), including the former staff who made hundreds of user subpages during their short time with the Wikimedia Foundation and can no longer login here, much less clean up their mess. Some of us are still here.
: For a better picture of the scope, [https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UncategorizedPages&limit=500&offset=1000 click here] and keep clicking "next 500" till you understand what we're dealing with... and these are only the completely uncategorized pages (in the article namespace only, I think). Some pages there I've been categorizing. A lot of it is old junk, though. For the various reasons listed above, it's time to clean.
: Relatedly, if you could give (the other) [[User:Rjd0060|Ryan]] admin powers here, that would be great. Please don't make me [[User:Cbrown1023|wake the dead]]. ;-)
: You're welcome. :-) --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride#top|talk]]) 07:26, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
:: Thank you for the explanation. As I told Ryan, I'm in conversations with Comms right now about how to move forward with userrights here. I hope that we'll have something soon. [[User:Philippe (WMF)|Philippe (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Philippe (WMF)|talk]]) 19:18, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
:: Update: Comms (specifically Jay) has requested that I not issue any further userrights here until a conversation has been had about the direction of the wiki and its management. I know that Jay intends to reach out to you on this and to make sure you're an active player in that conversation. [[User:Philippe (WMF)|Philippe (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Philippe (WMF)|talk]]) 19:49, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
::: Hi Philippe, does this also apply to temporary flood flags for maintenance related tasks such as [[User talk:Thehelpfulone#Links]] (which is now complete)? [[User:Thehelpfulone|<font color="red">'''The'''</font>]][[User talk:Thehelpfulone|<font color="black">'''helpful'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Thehelpfulone|<font color="red">'''one'''</font>]] 20:04, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
:::: No. I thought that would be self-evident (it says "sysop and above" on the userrights page), but I can spell out that it doesn't apply to flood if necessary. [[User:Philippe (WMF)|Philippe (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Philippe (WMF)|talk]]) 21:05, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
::::: Thanks, I did see that but then you wrote "not issue ''any'' further userrights here" above so wanted to confirm. [[User:Thehelpfulone|<font color="red">'''The'''</font>]][[User talk:Thehelpfulone|<font color="black">'''helpful'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Thehelpfulone|<font color="red">'''one'''</font>]] 21:36, 25 March 2013 (UTC)


Yeah, Jay seems to only attempt to take ownership of this wiki whenever someone else tries to get active here. I say "attempt" as the notion that this wiki is owned or operated by the Wikimedia Foundation communications department is rather novel, given the wiki's history and primary active membership/community. At this point, I believe we've been in discussions for years without any action. I don't find this acceptable.
== pdfs to pngs ==


I hope you can feel me rolling my eyes at [[MediaWiki:Userrights-summary]]. And as though we needed further evidence of a mess having been left behind here, I'll just cross-reference this insightful post from yesterday: <https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?diff=90216&oldid=90171>. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride#top|talk]]) 21:15, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks MZM. Yeah, I figured that pngs are better than pdfs --will make to stick to png next times. Thanks again :) [[User:Moushira|Moushira]] 22:37, 7 July 2011 (UTC)


== Proposed deletions ==
==[[Feedback policy]] redirect==
Hi. :) Just wanted to let you know that I've created this anew for the moment since I found out when walking somebody through the MoodBar that there was some kind of snafu and the MoodBar "terms" are pointing to it. Brandon has passed it on to the developers, so it should be unnecessary again soon (if not already). --[[User:Mdennis|Mdennis]] 21:02, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks for the heads-up. I appreciate it. :-) --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 21:42, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
::No talkback template? :O I just wanted to let you know that I'd answered your question at my talk page. It isn't related to this, but it seemed immodest somehow to open up a whole new section just to let you know that. :D --[[User:Mdennis|Mdennis]] 11:08, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


In general I think the 2011 stuff is likely okay, but that is up to Megan and Zack as to whether or not they want to keep them around for posterity. Also note that we get a not-insignificant number of donations to the old pages. If you can leave behind a redirect to [https://donate.wikimedia.org https://donate.wikimedia.org] that would be awesome. For the 2012 stuff, those are WMFr pages, so it would probably be best to check with them. Thanks. -[[User:Pgehres (WMF)|Pgehres (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Pgehres (WMF)|talk]]) 00:39, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
==Changing fundraising templates==
: Hi. Thanks for the note. I'll ping Megan and Zack again about the proposed deletions. I think I'm also going to go ahead and bump the proposed deletion time to 90 days. We just had a report trickle in today about a particular page that's apparently still being used and it was tagged for over 30 days.
: I already pinged the fundraising people on their mailing list. There wasn't much feedback. I think most of the live infrastructure is now living at donate.wikimedia.org. I don't think an automatic redirect is a great idea. Technically, we could #REDIRECT all of these pages, but I think de-cluttering is a good idea. The proliferation here has been a bit nasty. So much repetition and nearly identical content.
: That said, I think we should be able to hack something up, basically prettifying the page a user sees when a page has been deleted... include a "[[donate]]" link and a "return to [[home]]" link. And a few old fundraising pages will be marked historical with a note at the top telling people how they can donate today. Most of these pages seem to have very little historical value, though. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride#top|talk]]) 03:28, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
: P.S. Thanks for [https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?diff=91638&oldid=91634&diffonly=1 this edit]. That had been bothering me.


== Apology for removal of admin rights==
Heya MzM,
MZ,
I'm sorry for the abrupt removal of admin rights on this wiki, which wasn't announced in advance. We've been talking internally for a while about making the governance structure of this wiki more clear, i.e., decisions regarding content and practices in this wiki are ultimately up to WMF staff. There may be projects during which it makes sense to assign temporary adminship to volunteers, as well, but we wanted to start with a clear separation of roles and responsibilities.


I apologize, though, for the hasty implementation of this decision! I didn't intend to express any disrespect or distrust. On the contrary, I'm very grateful for all the work you and other volunteers have done on the Wikimedia Foundation wiki over the years, and I hope you won't be too discouraged by this experience. I'll be posting an update about the next steps for wikimediafoundation.org on the wikimedia-l mailing list soon.
Thanks for going through and cleaning up some of the code, particularly in making it w3c compliant; it was something we had planned to. It would be really helpful just to let us know before hand what your changing because we dont want to discover 30 minutes before a test that there are suddenly things not appearing as they should and having to try and work out whats wrong. As useful a watchlist is, its still difficult keeping track of so many pages. Its a fairly minor problem that occured this time but its just to be careful in future. So if you could give us a headsup, even if its a note on someone's talk page itll very much appreciated. thanks :) [[User:Jseddon|Jseddon]] 00:56, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
: Hi. I'm not sure what "a fairly minor problem that occurred this time" is referring to. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 01:33, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
:: Its just that there was some id's needed to be changed in the css to classes to match the changes you made. Just made some text larger than intended. As I said fairly minor :)
:: The two thing you also put on my talk page I'll look into. With the UK page, I wasn't the one that originally built it, and actually its a bit of a kit bash using features from the original build and the foundation's code. Its a little messy as a result of that. With the email option thing, the email option used to be a proper option, but I think its forced through the tracking data rather than an option. I think that is why there are two id's as one represents the deprecated check box and the other the current hidden email option but thats only from memory but will take a proper look at it.
:: Also I apologise for not getting back to you with regards to the white box template thing. I agree it makes sense for it to be in a template itself and we are looking into converting it to text. I reverted your change for the time being though because it didnt look right stylistically but we are working on it right now. We are looking to having the font size change slightly to try and avoid it becoming too elongated but thats going to be trial and error but its being gotten to :) [[User:Jseddon|Jseddon]] 16:59, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
::: Yeah, the id --> class thing I figured would probably break something, but I felt it incredibly important that the ids be unique.
::: No worries about the white box. I realize that it wasn't perfect; it probably needs to set a specific font other than simply declaring "serif". It shouldn't take more than a minute or two of poking at it to get it to look right. I'm just a bit pre-occupied with the large amounts of other code cleanup and a million other projects. :-) --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 00:58, 11 August 2011 (UTC)


I'll take a look at understanding what you're working on when I get back from vacation next Monday and we can talk more then.
== Dude. ==
[[User:Gyoung|Gyoung]] ([[User talk:Gyoung|talk]]) 05:04, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
: Hi Gayle.
: You've engendered a lot of ill will toward both yourself and the Wikimedia Foundation with your actions. You didn't give any advance notice or warning. You were borderline dismissive in your original e-mail. And the timing of your actions (at the end of the day on Friday, before you were apparently taking a week-long break) was either comically bad or simply sinister, depending on who you ask.
: But here's the worst part: while Wikimedia often has its critics, you deliberately stripped (and in many cases, antagonized) hard-working and dedicated volunteers of their user rights without any good reason. Many of these people built the Wikimedia Foundation. You simultaneously did not strip administrator rights from staff members here who literally have never made a single contribution to this wiki. I hope you can see how hurtful your actions are: you abruptly removed every volunteer administrator, but left staff administrators who have never participated here (even once), much less helped maintain the site. And to date, you've still not answered ''why'' you decided to take this series of actions. Or perhaps more revealingly, why you didn't follow [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeRe85OpzH0&t=2m2s the old way].
: But luckily for you, these people who you've snubbed and scorned are friends of the Wikimedia movement for a reason: they're (for the most part) smart, quirky, compassionate, tolerant, understanding, and forgiving.
: I'm awaiting your update on next steps ([[mailarchive:wikimedia-l/2013-May/126098.html|as are others]]). However, I cannot and will not accept your apology until you make this right. It isn't enough to simply say you're sorry. Wikis are designed to be resilient and every action is reversible for a reason. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride#top|talk]]) 02:48, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


== [[Template:Contact header]] ==
[[Template:2011FR/Thank you new|sweet.]] [[User:Philippe (WMF)|Philippe (WMF)]] 00:51, 30 December 2011 (UTC)


It looks a bit odd when transcluded, for example at [[Press room]] - is this intentional? [[User:Thehelpfulone|<font color="red">'''The'''</font>]][[User talk:Thehelpfulone|<font color="black">'''helpful'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Thehelpfulone|<font color="red">'''one'''</font>]] 14:41, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
: Oh, I hadn't seen that they were working on implementing it. Awesome! :D It was nearly all [[User:Fetchcomms|Fetchcomms]]. I just asked him politely and he worked his magic. <small>Next up: the rest of the site. ;-)</small> --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 05:56, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
: Yes, I believe so. The color is supposed to indicate the active state of the "tabs." --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride#top|talk]]) 03:00, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
:: Sorry, I should clarify with a [https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8zS20wx810ybHB2MnE0TmNhSkU/edit?usp=drivesdk screenshot], the small strips of colour underneath "Contact us", "Press and media" etc seem to be displaced too much to the right? The only page that doesn't have a problem (for me) is [[Local chapters]] all the others are displaced so that the small strip isn't underneath the corresponding coloured tab? I see it looks fine on Monobook though, so probably a [//wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Press_room&useskin=vector Vector problem]? [[User:Thehelpfulone|<font color="red">'''The'''</font>]][[User talk:Thehelpfulone|<font color="black">'''helpful'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Thehelpfulone|<font color="red">'''one'''</font>]] 21:01, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
:::Looks fine to me on Vector. What browser are you using? [[User:PiRSquared17|PiRSquared17]] ([[User talk:PiRSquared17|talk]]) 03:57, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
::::Hmm, I'm using Chrome 28 on a Windows 7 laptop, it looks like if I zoom in to 110% then it's fine though? [[User:Thehelpfulone|<font color="red">'''The'''</font>]][[User talk:Thehelpfulone|<font color="black">'''helpful'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Thehelpfulone|<font color="red">'''one'''</font>]] 11:06, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
:::::I've noticed that the template looks fine when transcluded in Monobook, but not in Vector. Perhaps this accounts for the discrepancy? I'm on Chrome 28 on Windows 7 too, for what it's worth. --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] ([[User talk:Deskana|talk]]) 16:11, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
::::::I can't duplicate this on Chrome, but I'm not on Windows 7 if that matters. Maybe MZMcBride can provide a more insightful comment. [[User:PiRSquared17|PiRSquared17]] ([[User talk:PiRSquared17|talk]]) 16:33, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
(unindent) The issue appears to be due to resolution. For example, through my own testing, I have found the template looks fine on:
*Chrome 28, Windows 7, Monobook, 1920x1080.
*Chrome 28, Mac OS X Lion, Monobook, 1680x1050.
*Chrome 28, Max OS X Lion, Vector, 1680x1050.
However, the template is broken on:
*Chrome 28, Windows 7, Vector, 1920x1080.
Perhaps it's to do with resolution? --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] ([[User talk:Deskana|talk]]) 22:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC)


== Catalyst Programs Re: "Soon" ==
== Re: [[Informazioni su Wikimedia]] ==


Hi. Actually, I was helping to hire the two new contractorswhilst I was quiting and that hapenned more than two months ago - Rodrigo Padula and Celio Filho are the new ones. I thought someone who knows better internal decisions of Wikimedia Foundation would update it. Since there is going to be a partnership of Wikimedia Foundation with a Brazilian organization in the Catalyst context, I think it is better check with Anasuya and Oona Castro if all these names of people in the Catalyst are going to be maintained there - India was dropped out. I don't have time to check this now, but I think these are the names to ask. --[[User:Everton137|Everton137]] ([[User talk:Everton137|talk]]) 01:50, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Yes, thank you. Done. [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 20:47, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


== Thanks! ==
== Protection removal at Template:Staff ==


Good idea, thank you. [[User:Philippe (WMF)|Philippe (WMF)]] 06:33, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
I had no idea interwiki redirecting worked here. Thank you for fixing that. :-) [[User:PiRSquared17|PiRSquared17]] ([[User talk:PiRSquared17|talk]]) 22:57, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

== Your comments on [[User talk:Hwalls]] ==

Regardless of the substance of the conversation, you're crossing the civility line here. That's unacceptable, and you'll need to stop, or I'll have to deactivate your account on this wiki.--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 19:38, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
: Agreed. I've washed my hands of that page. :-) --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 20:31, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

== Template:Jobs graphic/tr ==

That is really cool, thanks for letting me know! [[User:Hwalls|heather walls]] ([[User talk:Hwalls|talk]]) 23:38, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

== Good catch ==

[http://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Resolution%3AFundraising_2012&diff=79942&oldid=79941 This was a good catch], and I agree with it. I'm glad you noticed it. [[User:Philippe (WMF)|Philippe (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Philippe (WMF)|talk]]) 10:08, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
:Sometimes this place feels like [[w:bizzaro world|bizzaro world]]. [[User:Killiondude|Killiondude]] ([[User talk:Killiondude|talk]]) 06:43, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

== Namespace messages ==

That's pretty neat. [[User:Killiondude|Killiondude]] ([[User talk:Killiondude|talk]]) 06:44, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

:<nowiki/>:-) --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride|talk]]) 14:18, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

== On IRC? ==

Are you on IRC right now? I'd love to chat about the sandbox a second. [[User:Hwalls|heather walls]] ([[User talk:Hwalls|talk]]) 01:12, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

== Board bios ==

Hi Max! Still think fondly of meeting you and hanging out at Topaz with the crew.

I left a note on the talk page. In general, I'd be very happy to work with you to make the bios page more visually interesting. I've got the challenge of adding a great deal of information per Sue's desire to expand the page on the one hand, and some of the points you've brought up on the other. I know you are a problem solver, so if you have ideas on how to improve things, that's great. If reverting now would help, go for it. But at some point I've got a lot more material to add to the shorter bios and I'd love to come up with a good solution for it. Thanks! [[User:Mroth|Mroth]] ([[User talk:Mroth|talk]]) 00:38, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
: I removed the text and left a note on the talk page. I very much doubt that this is what Sue had in mind. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride|talk]]) 05:33, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

==FAQ==
Hey no worries,

I should note that I saw you comment about the distinct out-of-dateness of that page. I am working on that :) [[User:JSeddon|JSeddon]] ([[User talk:JSeddon|talk]]) 19:05, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
: Sweet! Yeah, I noticed some info in there about the upcoming Wikimania (in D.C.) that caught my eye, but the whole page needs a read-through for accuracy. Thanks for your work on the page. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride|talk]]) 19:24, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

== Regarding a diff ==

Regarding [http://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=DMCA_Thieme&diff=83490&oldid=83489 this], thank you. [[User:Philippe (WMF)|Philippe (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Philippe (WMF)|talk]]) 21:25, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
: No problem. &lt;poem&gt; can also be used, I suppose. That would allow the URL to be clickable. But I think it's a bit uglier (there's something aesthetically pleasing about the border, the background color, and the monospace font, to me, at least). Maybe we can come up with a hybrid.... (And, of course, now that I think about it, the URL being clickable wouldn't even be very helpful, as it's a 404, heh.) --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride|talk]]) 21:30, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
:: Is it possible to raise the monospace font size by default? It seems small to me, but maybe that's just my old eyes. [[User:Philippe (WMF)|Philippe (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Philippe (WMF)|talk]]) 21:36, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
::: Bumped up the font size a bit just now using [[MediaWiki:Geshi.css]]. I think it's actually not too bad at 2em (which I tried at first, before reducing to 1.2em), but I keep the screen ridiculously zoomed-in most of the time anyway. (Humans were never intended to read 12-point font, particularly at three feet away. Browser zoom is a godsend.) --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride|talk]]) 21:43, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Revision as of 22:57, 21 September 2013

Prod that you left for me

I have no objection, and have deleted it myself. Thanks for calling my attention to it; I'd quite frankly forgotten that page existed. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 22:28, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 01:30, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well the page isn't mine so is better go talk with Jay, but I have no problems with you deleting it :) Beria (talk) 01:54, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I've been notifying anyone I notice in the page history. The talk page section can be re-used for future deletion notifications, which is nice. --MZMcBride (talk) 02:53, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Margins on homepage

Hi. You seem to be the wikicode whiz-kid for this site, so I'll float my idea to you. Do you think the Homepage of this site would look better with a negative top-margin, similar to the English Wikipedia's Main Page? I reckon it'd look a little less, well, amateur than it does now. AGK (talk) 09:44, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I'm not sure what you mean. "margin" usually refers to a CSS attribute. As far as I can tell, the current version of en.wiki's Main Page doesn't use a negative margin anywhere. It does, however, have a hidden <h1> (page title). This is not done with margin hackery, but instead is done via w:en:MediaWiki:Vector.css and w:en:MediaWiki:Monobook.css. Is this what you meant?

Related: Talk:Home#Recent and upcoming changes to Home (March 2013). --MZMcBride (talk) 01:04, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, then yes, using a hidden level-1 header is what I meant. (I'm sure that Enwiki's Main Page used negative margin at some point, perhaps years ago.) I'll make my proposal at the Home talk page. Thanks, AGK (talk) 10:59, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead

And delete all you wish. As the name suggest, /temp it was :). notafish }<';> 11:04, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Question

I just noticed the more than one thousand pages in Category:Proposed Deletions. Can I ask why? I get the urge to clean-up, but it seems like in deleting pages such as Donaciones/EUR we may be removing history that we could need later. That sort of page was enormously helpful to me when I ran the fundraiser, in piecing together some of the history that I needed. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 07:00, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi.
They're old and unneeded pages. What about <https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Donaciones/EUR&oldid=8078> was helpful to you? It looks like a standard credit card input form. It's got two edits, both of which are trivial.
Generally, here's what I see:
  • not much, if any, historical value in most of these templates and pages: they're mostly unoriginal text and designs that are duplicated a zillion times for every country and currency and that haven't been touched since they were used in a particular campaign (or test);
  • anything valuable hasn't been marked for deletion and is available on Meta-Wiki or in the template namespace here;
  • a massive store of pages (we've built up donation pages from 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011);
  • a lot of broken or partially broken pages (notice the extra </div> here: Ecwårlaedje);
  • more worryingly, a lot of pages still present what appear to be working input forms (or make your check payable to this random address in Florida that nobody has used for donations since 2005); and
  • this wiki still allows raw HTML, so not being able to figure out what in this uncategorized, unlinked, pile of pages is legitimate and what was legitimate eight years ago (in terms of where these forms submit, what addresses are used, etc.) can actually be problematic, if you know what I mean.
And, of course, I believe most of the live infrastructure has been quietly moved to payments.wikimedia.org at this point. And with all of this, which should really just amount to me being able to say "housekeeping," there's a 30-day wait period and everyone is getting notified of the impending deletions via talk page note (which should trigger an e-mail), including the former staff who made hundreds of user subpages during their short time with the Wikimedia Foundation and can no longer login here, much less clean up their mess. Some of us are still here.
For a better picture of the scope, click here and keep clicking "next 500" till you understand what we're dealing with... and these are only the completely uncategorized pages (in the article namespace only, I think). Some pages there I've been categorizing. A lot of it is old junk, though. For the various reasons listed above, it's time to clean.
Relatedly, if you could give (the other) Ryan admin powers here, that would be great. Please don't make me wake the dead. ;-)
You're welcome. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 07:26, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the explanation. As I told Ryan, I'm in conversations with Comms right now about how to move forward with userrights here. I hope that we'll have something soon. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 19:18, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Update: Comms (specifically Jay) has requested that I not issue any further userrights here until a conversation has been had about the direction of the wiki and its management. I know that Jay intends to reach out to you on this and to make sure you're an active player in that conversation. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 19:49, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Philippe, does this also apply to temporary flood flags for maintenance related tasks such as User talk:Thehelpfulone#Links (which is now complete)? Thehelpfulone 20:04, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No. I thought that would be self-evident (it says "sysop and above" on the userrights page), but I can spell out that it doesn't apply to flood if necessary. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 21:05, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I did see that but then you wrote "not issue any further userrights here" above so wanted to confirm. Thehelpfulone 21:36, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, Jay seems to only attempt to take ownership of this wiki whenever someone else tries to get active here. I say "attempt" as the notion that this wiki is owned or operated by the Wikimedia Foundation communications department is rather novel, given the wiki's history and primary active membership/community. At this point, I believe we've been in discussions for years without any action. I don't find this acceptable.

I hope you can feel me rolling my eyes at MediaWiki:Userrights-summary. And as though we needed further evidence of a mess having been left behind here, I'll just cross-reference this insightful post from yesterday: <https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?diff=90216&oldid=90171>. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:15, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletions

In general I think the 2011 stuff is likely okay, but that is up to Megan and Zack as to whether or not they want to keep them around for posterity. Also note that we get a not-insignificant number of donations to the old pages. If you can leave behind a redirect to https://donate.wikimedia.org that would be awesome. For the 2012 stuff, those are WMFr pages, so it would probably be best to check with them. Thanks. -Pgehres (WMF) (talk) 00:39, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Thanks for the note. I'll ping Megan and Zack again about the proposed deletions. I think I'm also going to go ahead and bump the proposed deletion time to 90 days. We just had a report trickle in today about a particular page that's apparently still being used and it was tagged for over 30 days.
I already pinged the fundraising people on their mailing list. There wasn't much feedback. I think most of the live infrastructure is now living at donate.wikimedia.org. I don't think an automatic redirect is a great idea. Technically, we could #REDIRECT all of these pages, but I think de-cluttering is a good idea. The proliferation here has been a bit nasty. So much repetition and nearly identical content.
That said, I think we should be able to hack something up, basically prettifying the page a user sees when a page has been deleted... include a "donate" link and a "return to home" link. And a few old fundraising pages will be marked historical with a note at the top telling people how they can donate today. Most of these pages seem to have very little historical value, though. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:28, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. Thanks for this edit. That had been bothering me.

Apology for removal of admin rights

MZ, I'm sorry for the abrupt removal of admin rights on this wiki, which wasn't announced in advance. We've been talking internally for a while about making the governance structure of this wiki more clear, i.e., decisions regarding content and practices in this wiki are ultimately up to WMF staff. There may be projects during which it makes sense to assign temporary adminship to volunteers, as well, but we wanted to start with a clear separation of roles and responsibilities.

I apologize, though, for the hasty implementation of this decision! I didn't intend to express any disrespect or distrust. On the contrary, I'm very grateful for all the work you and other volunteers have done on the Wikimedia Foundation wiki over the years, and I hope you won't be too discouraged by this experience. I'll be posting an update about the next steps for wikimediafoundation.org on the wikimedia-l mailing list soon.

I'll take a look at understanding what you're working on when I get back from vacation next Monday and we can talk more then. Gyoung (talk) 05:04, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gayle.
You've engendered a lot of ill will toward both yourself and the Wikimedia Foundation with your actions. You didn't give any advance notice or warning. You were borderline dismissive in your original e-mail. And the timing of your actions (at the end of the day on Friday, before you were apparently taking a week-long break) was either comically bad or simply sinister, depending on who you ask.
But here's the worst part: while Wikimedia often has its critics, you deliberately stripped (and in many cases, antagonized) hard-working and dedicated volunteers of their user rights without any good reason. Many of these people built the Wikimedia Foundation. You simultaneously did not strip administrator rights from staff members here who literally have never made a single contribution to this wiki. I hope you can see how hurtful your actions are: you abruptly removed every volunteer administrator, but left staff administrators who have never participated here (even once), much less helped maintain the site. And to date, you've still not answered why you decided to take this series of actions. Or perhaps more revealingly, why you didn't follow the old way.
But luckily for you, these people who you've snubbed and scorned are friends of the Wikimedia movement for a reason: they're (for the most part) smart, quirky, compassionate, tolerant, understanding, and forgiving.
I'm awaiting your update on next steps (as are others). However, I cannot and will not accept your apology until you make this right. It isn't enough to simply say you're sorry. Wikis are designed to be resilient and every action is reversible for a reason. --MZMcBride (talk) 02:48, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It looks a bit odd when transcluded, for example at Press room - is this intentional? Thehelpfulone 14:41, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I believe so. The color is supposed to indicate the active state of the "tabs." --MZMcBride (talk) 03:00, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I should clarify with a screenshot, the small strips of colour underneath "Contact us", "Press and media" etc seem to be displaced too much to the right? The only page that doesn't have a problem (for me) is Local chapters all the others are displaced so that the small strip isn't underneath the corresponding coloured tab? I see it looks fine on Monobook though, so probably a Vector problem? Thehelpfulone 21:01, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Looks fine to me on Vector. What browser are you using? PiRSquared17 (talk) 03:57, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, I'm using Chrome 28 on a Windows 7 laptop, it looks like if I zoom in to 110% then it's fine though? Thehelpfulone 11:06, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've noticed that the template looks fine when transcluded in Monobook, but not in Vector. Perhaps this accounts for the discrepancy? I'm on Chrome 28 on Windows 7 too, for what it's worth. --Deskana (talk) 16:11, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I can't duplicate this on Chrome, but I'm not on Windows 7 if that matters. Maybe MZMcBride can provide a more insightful comment. PiRSquared17 (talk) 16:33, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(unindent) The issue appears to be due to resolution. For example, through my own testing, I have found the template looks fine on:

  • Chrome 28, Windows 7, Monobook, 1920x1080.
  • Chrome 28, Mac OS X Lion, Monobook, 1680x1050.
  • Chrome 28, Max OS X Lion, Vector, 1680x1050.

However, the template is broken on:

  • Chrome 28, Windows 7, Vector, 1920x1080.

Perhaps it's to do with resolution? --Deskana (talk) 22:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Catalyst Programs Re: "Soon"

Hi. Actually, I was helping to hire the two new contractorswhilst I was quiting and that hapenned more than two months ago - Rodrigo Padula and Celio Filho are the new ones. I thought someone who knows better internal decisions of Wikimedia Foundation would update it. Since there is going to be a partnership of Wikimedia Foundation with a Brazilian organization in the Catalyst context, I think it is better check with Anasuya and Oona Castro if all these names of people in the Catalyst are going to be maintained there - India was dropped out. I don't have time to check this now, but I think these are the names to ask. --Everton137 (talk) 01:50, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!

I had no idea interwiki redirecting worked here. Thank you for fixing that. :-) PiRSquared17 (talk) 22:57, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]