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Special:PrefixIndex/Translations:Access_to_nonpublic_personal_data_policy-summary

The page "Access to nonpublic personal data policy-summary/" has moved to the Foundation website, and we have all these unattached translations that people still are editing, which is valueless. Probably time for a cleanout, unless someone can think of a reason not to do so.  — billinghurst sDrewth 04:22, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Clean linking

They don't really apply directly to Wikimedia wikis based on MediaWiki. -> not in scope of Meta. * Pppery * it has begun 15:38, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. --MF-W 17:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Checkmark This discussion is closed and will be archived shortly. Please do not modify it. MF-W 17:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Research:Research_Community_Vision_and_Strategy

This page is outdated and is no longer relevant. We are moving all content which is under the WMF Research Team to MediaWiki (WMF Research) and leaving anything that is community-led here on Meta. --KGordon (WMF) (talk) 14:05, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joint Statement on Palestine

Discussion open until at least 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Beyond the fact that it is not the place of Wikimedians to take sides in armed conflicts, this open letter identifies with the Palestinian cause regarding matters within Israel. This partisanship is devisive slacktivism and should not be present within Wikimedia's servers. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Keep There have been several open letters written by members of the Wikimedia Movement, pertaining to the Movement, hosted on Meta in the past. This statement does talk about specific actions that members of our Movement would like to see from the Foundation and is not trying to request or mandate things of organisations outside the Movement (for example, it is not asking any actions of any government or NGO). If the Foundation feels this matter is ultra vires for Meta, then they can take Office actions to remove the page and they can contact the editors there to discuss it further. I don't think this is a matter that needs to be addressed by the community on RfD — OwenBlacker (Talk; he/him) 18:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Keep It's important to have space for open letters from members within the Wikimedia Movement. --Kiraface (talk) 18:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Keep Deleting such a document goes against the democratic spirit of the Wikimedia community. Free knowledge is an agenda in the fight for democracy and it is even expected that organizations and movements with a social impact like ours take a stand on global issues like these. XenoF (talk) 19:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Keep A request for deletion of a statement of this kind shouldn't take place in a democratic movement. If you disagree you can discuss the topic, but to just plainly ask that these words do not exist on our servers is against the spirit and values of this movement.Señoritaleona (talk) 20:14, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Keep This open letter not only makes demands of our community and the Foundation, it serves as an opportunity for Wikimedians with shared values to connect and further strategize; it's unifying rather than divisive and is more aligned with the positive connotations of "slacktivism" than it is with the negative ones. Nyeboah (talk) 21:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Keep the Wikimedia Foundation and Wikipedia in general has taken a position on the Russo-Ukrainian war in favor of Ukraine countless times. So, Wikimedians can take sides in armed conflicts. D.S. Lioness (talk) 01:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Keep Wikimedia has always shown direct support for Ukraine and Israel and recently had issues regarding how to brand what Israel was doing to palestinian people on enwiki and commons which actually disgusted me (refusal to call the Al-Rashid massacre just that but instead pushing for it to be called an "incident" was downright insulting to over 118+ lives lost that day). We are no longer a neutral site cause even today i saw people from Israel wiki (hebrew wiki) push their propaganda on commons and enwiki, if we can no longer be neutral, atleast we should act like we are.--Stemoc 03:44, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely Keep Keep. It is what Wikipedia is for after all, an open source of unbiased information. -Filipinayzd (talk) 10:32, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Keep one has the right not to agree with this statement (and personally, I don't fully agree with some of its sentences) but I see no reason to delete this statement. Cheers, VIGNERON * discut. 16:16, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Remove Remove While I agree with the content, Wikipedia should not engage in political advocacy, it undermines Wikipedia's neutrality. Levivich (talk) 16:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Remove Remove I don't want Wikimedia to become another forum or social network. Wikimedia should not become a a battleground or a forum to promote our own political or religious ideas, or any kind of advocacy or propaganda of any kind that does not strictly relate to our objectives. I sympathize with many causes, but I don't express my ideas on Wikimedia pages; rather, I use social media or spaces for social or political activism that are meant for that purpose. The goal of Wikimedia is to advocate for free knowledge, to collect and develop educational content under free licenses or public domain, and to effectively disseminate it globally, not to express our opinions on any conflict. We should only express opinions when our projects are at stake, for example, when Wikipedia is censored in some regions.--Jalu (talk) 17:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Remove Remove Since when has Wikipedia politalized? Lilijuros (talk) 18:27, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
comment I am not at liberty to vote on this RFD, but I have updated my candidate page here -- Sleyece (talk) 18:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Remove Remove This statement completely violates Wikimedia Foundation charter and NPOV policy. Moreover, it is one-sided, completely ignoring Hamas' massacre of October 7th 2023 and the kidnapping of innocent people to Gaza, and depicts a distorted version of reality. MathKnight (talk) 18:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete. Whatever the precedents elsewhere, Wikipedia should not be pulled left or right, pro or contra. I find this kind of thing - an attempt to identify an encyclopedia with a political statement - deeply disturbing, indeed somewhat shocking. And I state that even more firmly as an editor closely associated with working in the I/P area, basically curating Palestinian perspectives. Our remit here is to master the history and scholarship, and ensure that articles are written NPOV to that end. Political statements are facile: actually doing something to achieve informative coverage on a conflict is hard work. That is where editors must commit themselves, not to flagwaving. Horrible. I'm not neutral, but wikipedia is not about righting great wrongs (as opposed to giving detailed information about the history enabling readers to form their own opinions regarding the merits or otherwise of those perceived wrongs and the preceived 'justice' of those who claim that they are not wrongs, for example)(User:Nishidani) — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nishidani (talk) 19:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Keep Please re-read the quote contained in the statement: "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor". When 30,000+ innocent people are killed, neutrality becomes complicity. Silence becomes harm. Speaking up becomes a duty. This statement will not be censored. Mushroom (talk) 19:04, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
About one-third to half of those 30,000 Palestinians killed were members of Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and other militia/terror-groups and NOT innocent civilians. This is why the statement is factually false and distorted. MathKnight (talk) 19:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to believe that it's moral and justified to indiscriminately bomb and murder innocent civilians because (supposedly) some bad people are hiding among them, feel free to do so. I am equally free to express my disagreement. Mushroom (talk) 20:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can't preach about morality when you deny and refuse to condemn Hamas atrocities. On October 7th Hamas massacred 1000 innocent people, raped women, burned babies in front of their mothers, and kidnapped civilians into the Gaza Strip. This one-sided statement fails to condemn it and implicitly supports Hamas ' atrocities. This one-sided distorted and factually false statement should be speedily deleted. Wikimedia Foundation should not endorse hatred. MathKnight (talk) 15:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If Wikipedia existed during WWII, would it have stayed silent when the Holocaust was being perpetrated?! Being an encyclopedia does not mean staying neutral when atrocities are being committed. Keep Keep! عمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 19:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If Wikipedia existed during WWII, this statement is the equivalent of denouncing The Allies for bombing Germany while refusing to denounce Nazi Germany. MathKnight (talk) 15:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Keep there is no neutrality when it comes to human values. I don't think this will be brought up against the situation in Ukraine, or older conflicts in Europe. Besides this doesn't apply to what is considered Not acceptable--باسم (talk) 19:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Keep I don't know how the page violates wikimedia policies. I trust no one can prove that. I've said before in a discussion: "the solidarity with human rights in safe life and other rights mentioned in UDHR isn't a violation of the neutral point of view" and I still hold this conviction. Ahmed Naji Talk 19:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Remove Remove -- calling the crisis "Israel-created" as opposed to "Hamas-created" is disinformation; it's telling that not a single word could be spared to condemn the 10/7 attack by Hamas that threatened the lives of Israeli Wikimedians; nor is there any mention of the hostages still being held. Everyone involved with the publication of this should be ashamed of themselves. ⇒SWATJester Son of the Defender 20:04, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A more appropriate form will be Hamas-created Israel-intensified, so I see the current iteration as purely political statement that tries to shift blame on one party - i.e. the intention seems not to address the situation but to assign blame on the initial victim.
But yeah this is still technically in scope, so it should be kept. 1233 （T / C） 03:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Keep If you disagree with this you are welcome to not sign it, or start your own competing open letter. Meta-Wiki is not censored. * Pppery * it has begun 20:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Keep Since we are a global movement with a core principle based on community, free knowledge, participation and the recognition the value of all the individuals in the world, I think the correct answer is peace. Although not everyone is on the same page, the majority of people in the movement are against the occupation, the massacre and the destruction of a culture (including universities, temples and all kinds of culture heritage). --Luisalvaz (talk) 20:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Keep I can't understand why some insist on deleting this statemen.. Do they want to wait for killing more innocent Palestinians while the world turns a blind eye? Freedom's Falcon (talk) 20:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Keep This page falls within the scope of Meta Wiki. The rationale behind the deletion nomination is that the page does not adhere to the principle of Neutral point of view. As outlined in Meta:What Meta is not, '"Meta is not written from a neutral point of view. It concerns the entire Wikimedia community, and often contains the opinions of specific users,'" thereby invalidating the sole basis for the proposed deletion. Additionally, Meta:What Meta is not states, "Meta is not an encyclopedia, and does not collect encyclopedic information." Thus, referencing Wikipedia and its NPOV policy in the deletion discussion of a page on Meta Wiki is not relevant. Moreover, I observe a potential case of canvassing; although I do not understand the language, Google Translate outputs led me to this suspicion. -- BIDROHI Hello.. 21:00, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Keep The page does not pretend to be an encyclopedia article but presents itself as the position of a group of Wikimedia organisations and Wikimedians. Over the history of the Wikimedia movement, the movement as a whole or groups within it have taken political positions; this is compatible with neutrality of project content and in some cases it is demanded by our cause of free and open knowledge. This wiki is not a content project and is a suitable venue for users to express opinions about the effect of events such as wars on our mission. MartinPoulter (talk) 21:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Remove Remove Wikipedia should not engage in political advocacy, it undermines Wikipedia's neutrality. שמיה רבה (talk) 22:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is meta.wikimedia; it's not Wikipedia -- Sleyece (talk) 11:40, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Keep Per OwenBlacker, and we are a democratic community, and it's important to have space for open letters.--Faisal talk 01:26, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Remove Remove Although I agree with much of the sentiment in the letter, and can respect the wishes of components of the Wikimedia empire to express opinions on political or social issues, it is not the purpose of Wikimedia as a whole. Zero0000 (talk) 02:34, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear, you voted remove while making an argument for keep. -- Sleyece (talk) 11:37, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Remove Remove Even when most of us can agree with the fact that what's happening in Gaza is horrifying, speaking about it in terms of "oppressor/oppressed" is an oversimplification of the issue and lacks the rigor Wikipedia should have. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Foránea (talk) 04:33, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Keep. This concerns Wikimedia communities and editors, some of whom have already been killed by this siege. Wikimedia has a responsibility to at least ensure the safety of volunteers. Why would anyone oppose this? -—M@sssly✉ 04:44, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Keep, wikipedia must stand for against any kind of injustice always. Bengali editor (talk) 06:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is wikimedia, not wikipedia. -- Sleyece (talk) 11:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Keep Many objections to the page's existence seem to think we're on Wikipedia right now. Not to mention that the desire to delete the page on the grounds of it being unnecessarily political is as inherently political as its creation. Battleofalma (talk) 10:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Keep justice! Why would anyone oppose this? 🌴Zulf talk 11:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Keep there is no hard rule that says Wikimedians cannot publish political statements. English Wikipedia doesn’t rule Wikimedia; in fact it’s closer to the opposite. I don’t like to wade too much into the political meta-argument over this deletion but this coming on the heels of an unsubtle attempt to prevent ArWiki from condemning the war in Gaza sure seems like an attempt to enforce the West’s anti-Palestinian taboo on Wikimedia. Should Wikimedia not allow advocacy? Maybe, maybe not. But as long as there’s a lopsided focus on censoring pro-Palestinian advocacy I’ll vote against every one of these campaigns. Dronebogus (talk) 12:07, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Remove Remove Extremely one-sided statement which completely ignores atrocities which has been done by the other side and, above all, violates any NPOV policy that was determined by the foundation. TheStriker (talk) 14:34, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
are there any special rules? 🌴Zulf talk 15:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Keep petrohs (gracias) 14:43, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Borderline case

Doesn't seem to be within Meta's scope. --Min☠︎rax«¦talk¦» 13:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete yeah, not the place.
🌴Zulf talk 15:36, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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