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:''Archives'': See [[Talk:Privacy policy/archive]] for all comments made before the policy was approved by the Board in April 2005. |
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== The Plans I Have For You == |
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The Plans I Have For You |
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== Localisation of new privacy policy == |
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Chorus: |
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For I know the plans I have for you my little children |
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For I know your plans declares the Lord |
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For I know the plans I have for you my little children |
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For I know your plans declares the Lord. |
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Plans to prosper you |
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And not to harm you, no |
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Plans to give you hope |
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And a future that will grow. |
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It would be helpful in the translation of the new privacy policy to have a definition of the phrase 'personally identifiable information'. Can someone provide this? [[User:Lloffiwr|Lloffiwr]] 14:11, 1 January 2009 (UTC) |
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Repeat chorus |
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:He pointed me to [[w:Personally identifiable information]]. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|<span style="color:green">Cbrown1023</span>]]''' '''<small>[[User talk:Cbrown1023|<span style="color:#002bb8">talk</span>]]</small>''' 21:00, 2 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::Thank you, I understand this much better now, and have put the link to the article on the talk page of the translation request for others to follow. [[User:Lloffiwr|Lloffiwr]] 23:26, 6 February 2009 (UTC) |
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== How do I report == |
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How do I report someone adding something to my view ie. Chris Brown as if it's coming from me? <small>—''The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by'' [[User:65.95.40.84|65.95.40.84]] ([[User talk:65.95.40.84|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/65.95.40.84|contribs]]) 05:32, 25 February 2009 (UTC).</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned--> |
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Then you will call upon me |
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Come and pray to me |
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And I will listen to you |
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That’s how it should be. |
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== policy violation? == |
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The policy says that info on page visits are not exposed publically, but there is a bot which is publishing page after page of user's search terms along with their username and I think for non-users IP address: here are many such pages: |
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Newpage_bot_search_results] |
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also failed search terms are logged: |
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AlexNewArtBot/BadSearchResult] |
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(there are dozens of archives of the above page stretching back several months, with page names of the form ../archive26). Given the controversy over search engines retaining user data and in some cases publishing it, these pages seem a gross violation of user privacy. Do wikipedia visitors know that the search terms they use have become a matter of public record? I doubt it. |
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[[User:Weeksinput|Weeksinput]] 03:36, 27 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:You're mistaken. The bot is posting its ''own'' search results. It searches new pages and posts a list of those it finds. The username you see next to each page is the page's creator. This is confirmed by looking at the history of the page. That bot is not publishing users' search results. -[[User:Kotra|Kotra]] 17:14, 25 March 2009 (UTC) |
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Repeat chorus <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.213.29.106|72.213.29.106]] ([[User talk:72.213.29.106|talk]]) 17:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== translation of page view == |
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Regarding ''Where the information pertains to page views generated by a spider or bot and its dissemination is necessary to illustrate or resolve technical issues'' in the section 'Access to and release of personally identifiable information'. I have looked at the definition of [[W:en:Page view|page view]] on Wikipedia. But I am still not sure that I understand what 'page views generated by a spider or bot' are. Can anyone explain this in layman's terms? [[User:Lloffiwr|Lloffiwr]] 11:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC) |
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God Saved Us |
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:[[w:Internet bot|Bots]] and [[w:Web crawler|spiders]], in this context, are computer programs set up to automatically visit webpages, without anyone actually sitting behind the screen. For example, search engines like Google have spiders that run around the web, reading webpage after webpage, to create an index of the web that you can search. Email spammers use bots too, to search the web for email addresses. |
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:"Page views generated by a spider or bot", then, would occur whenever a bot visited a webpage. Wikimedia's software would detect the bot's visit as a page view, just like the page views of actual humans. |
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Chorus: |
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God saved us, God saved us |
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Not because of righteous things we had done |
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But because of mercy, the grace of his Son |
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It really makes the devil fuss |
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‘Cause he knows, God saved us. |
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:One reason I can think of why they would have this line is so administrators, checkusers, and other volunteer editors can take action against bots that are set up to add commercial links (linkspam) into articles. There are probably other reasons as well, or they may just be putting that out for unforeseen contingencies. |
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:If you're really curious, though, you might try to track down [[User:UninvitedCompany]], who [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Privacy_policy&diff=next&oldid=23698 originally added the text] back in 2003. -[[User:Kotra|Kotra]] 03:04, 14 May 2009 (UTC) |
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God saved us, God saved us |
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Not because of righteous things we had done |
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But because of mercy, the grace of his Son |
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It really makes the devil fuss |
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‘Cause he knows, God saved us. |
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::Thank you for the clear and detailed explanation - I now have a much better idea of how to translate this sentence. [[User:Lloffiwr|Lloffiwr]] 12:49, 20 May 2009 (UTC) |
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==Scope of the policy - certain aspects of browsing== |
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Repeat chorus |
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Regarding ''Interactions with the Projects not covered by this Policy include, but are not limited to, '''aspects of browsing''' and editing pages'' in the section ''Activities on Foundation projects''. |
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The paragraph is mostly dealing with some ways that the user can '''voluntarily''' disclose her own private data. When the user is sending email or creating OTRS ticket, it is obvious that by the very nature of those communications some private data will be disclosed. It is clear, that anonymous editing is one of the the '''aspects of editing pages''', since the IP address becomes public by the very nature of that interaction and becomes ''publicly available data'' and therefore not covered by this policy, although they may be covered by some other policies (like that one of the OTRS). |
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However, I do not to understand the which '''aspects of browsing''' may constitute ''publicly available information'' not covered by this policy. The policy deals extensively with Web server access logs as well as with privacy implications of certain HTTP features like cookies. |
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God saved us, |
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God saved us. |
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So, the question is, which '''aspects of browsing''' the Wikimedia sites are not covered by this privacy policy? I understand that this is just list of examples ("...not limited to...") but my understanding to date that all aspects of passive browsing were covered under this policy. |
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« <span style="font-family: monospace, courier; font-size:90%">[[User:Saper|Saper]]<span style="font-size: 70%"> // </span>[[User talk:Saper|@talk]]</span> » 02:04, 20 May 2009 (UTC) |
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Repeat chorus <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.161.52.236|98.161.52.236]] ([[User talk:98.161.52.236|talk]]) 22:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== In Your Good == |
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In Your Good |
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I praise you Lord |
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So do it for you forgive |
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To the Lord us in your good |
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In and you forever |
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In all you do good |
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God and you shall loved the Lord |
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For great us might in you |
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The Lord us in your good |
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I praise you Lord |
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And without him afraid or the Lord |
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The Lord us in your good |
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‘Cause I’d the Lord us in your good |
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The Lord us in your good. |
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Repeat chorus <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.161.52.236|98.161.52.236]] ([[User talk:98.161.52.236|talk]]) 22:42, 11 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Better Is One Day == |
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Better Is One Day |
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Better is one day |
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‘Cause the day of the Lord |
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Better is one day |
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I will for God bless my the Lord. |
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The devil’s in forever |
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I gave my self-forgave |
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Give glory your name |
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Glorify your name forever |
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I will and praise |
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You are worthy of my love |
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I praise you Lord. |
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Repeat chorus |
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The Lord’s in forever |
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I gave my self-forgave |
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He gave glory your name |
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Glorify your name forever |
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I will and praise |
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Give worthy my the Lord |
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I praise you Lord. |
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Repeat chorus <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.161.52.236|98.161.52.236]] ([[User talk:98.161.52.236|talk]]) 21:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Shout For Joy! == |
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Shout For Joy! |
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Shout for joy to the Lord all the earth |
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Worship the Lord, worship with gladness |
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Shout for joy to the Lord all the earth |
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Come before him with joyful song. |
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Know that the Lord is God |
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It is he who made us and we are his |
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Know that the Lord is God |
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We are his people, the sheep of his pasture |
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So lift his praises! |
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Repeat chorus |
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Enter his gates with thanksgiving |
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And his courts with praise and give thanks to him |
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Enter his gates with thanksgiving |
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Let us praise his name, for the lord is good |
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So lift his praises! |
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Repeat chorus |
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== Your Father Knows == |
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Your Father Knows |
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Chorus |
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And when you pray |
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Do not keep on babbling |
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Do not keep on babbling |
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Do not keep on babbling |
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And when you pray |
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Do not keep on babbling |
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Like the pagans do. |
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(repeat) |
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For they think they will be heard |
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Because of their many words |
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Surely it is absurd |
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To think babbling would be heard. |
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Repeat chorus |
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And do not be like them, I say |
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For your Father knows what you need |
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Before you ask, it’s true |
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My Lord has already answered you. |
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Repeat chorus |
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== For He Is Good == |
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For He Is Good |
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Chorus |
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O give thanks unto the Lord |
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For he is good, he is good |
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O give thanks unto the Lord |
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His mercy endures forever. |
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To him who alone does great wonders |
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His mercy endureth |
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To him who by wisdom made the heavens |
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His mercy endureth forever and ever. |
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Repeat chorus |
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To him who stretched the earth above the waters |
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His mercy endureth |
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To him who made the great lights in the heavens |
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His mercy endureth forever and ever. |
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Repeat chorus |
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His mercy endures forever, |
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His mercy endures forever. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.161.52.236|98.161.52.236]] ([[User talk:98.161.52.236|talk]]) 21:31, 12 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Oh Give Thanks == |
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Oh Give Thanks |
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Chorus: |
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O give thanks unto the Lord |
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For he is good |
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O give thanks unto the Lord |
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For he is good. |
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To him who alone made the oceans |
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To him be glory |
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To him who alone made the oceans |
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We give all praise. |
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Repeat chorus |
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To him who alone made the heavens |
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To him be glory |
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To him who alone made the heavens |
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We give all praise. |
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Repeat chorus <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.161.52.236|98.161.52.236]] ([[User talk:98.161.52.236|talk]]) 21:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== R-E-S-P-E-C-T == |
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R-E-S-P-E-C-T |
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Show proper respect to everyone you meet |
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Show proper respect to everyone you meet |
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Love the brotherhood believers |
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Fear God and honor the king |
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Love the brotherhood believers |
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R-E-S-P-E-C-T we sing (respect) |
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Is such a wonderful thing. |
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We know to show respect is an odd thing, yea |
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We know to show respect is a God thing, yea |
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Listen to your mom and dad |
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Listen to your teachers and you will be glad |
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We know to show respect is a God thing, yea. |
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Repeat chorus |
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No doubt the word’s out, respect is the way to go |
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No doubt the word’s out, respect is the thing to know |
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Learn from the ones who know |
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Listen to the wisdom that they can show |
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No doubt the word’s out, respect is the way to go. |
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Repeat chorus |
Revision as of 18:28, 29 May 2009
- Archives: See Talk:Privacy policy/archive for all comments made before the policy was approved by the Board in April 2005.
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Localisation of new privacy policy
It would be helpful in the translation of the new privacy policy to have a definition of the phrase 'personally identifiable information'. Can someone provide this? Lloffiwr 14:11, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
- He pointed me to w:Personally identifiable information. Cbrown1023 talk 21:00, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you, I understand this much better now, and have put the link to the article on the talk page of the translation request for others to follow. Lloffiwr 23:26, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
How do I report
How do I report someone adding something to my view ie. Chris Brown as if it's coming from me? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.95.40.84 (talk • contribs) 05:32, 25 February 2009 (UTC).
policy violation?
The policy says that info on page visits are not exposed publically, but there is a bot which is publishing page after page of user's search terms along with their username and I think for non-users IP address: here are many such pages: [1] also failed search terms are logged: [2] (there are dozens of archives of the above page stretching back several months, with page names of the form ../archive26). Given the controversy over search engines retaining user data and in some cases publishing it, these pages seem a gross violation of user privacy. Do wikipedia visitors know that the search terms they use have become a matter of public record? I doubt it. Weeksinput 03:36, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- You're mistaken. The bot is posting its own search results. It searches new pages and posts a list of those it finds. The username you see next to each page is the page's creator. This is confirmed by looking at the history of the page. That bot is not publishing users' search results. -Kotra 17:14, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
translation of page view
Regarding Where the information pertains to page views generated by a spider or bot and its dissemination is necessary to illustrate or resolve technical issues in the section 'Access to and release of personally identifiable information'. I have looked at the definition of page view on Wikipedia. But I am still not sure that I understand what 'page views generated by a spider or bot' are. Can anyone explain this in layman's terms? Lloffiwr 11:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- Bots and spiders, in this context, are computer programs set up to automatically visit webpages, without anyone actually sitting behind the screen. For example, search engines like Google have spiders that run around the web, reading webpage after webpage, to create an index of the web that you can search. Email spammers use bots too, to search the web for email addresses.
- "Page views generated by a spider or bot", then, would occur whenever a bot visited a webpage. Wikimedia's software would detect the bot's visit as a page view, just like the page views of actual humans.
- One reason I can think of why they would have this line is so administrators, checkusers, and other volunteer editors can take action against bots that are set up to add commercial links (linkspam) into articles. There are probably other reasons as well, or they may just be putting that out for unforeseen contingencies.
- If you're really curious, though, you might try to track down User:UninvitedCompany, who originally added the text back in 2003. -Kotra 03:04, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you for the clear and detailed explanation - I now have a much better idea of how to translate this sentence. Lloffiwr 12:49, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Scope of the policy - certain aspects of browsing
Regarding Interactions with the Projects not covered by this Policy include, but are not limited to, aspects of browsing and editing pages in the section Activities on Foundation projects.
The paragraph is mostly dealing with some ways that the user can voluntarily disclose her own private data. When the user is sending email or creating OTRS ticket, it is obvious that by the very nature of those communications some private data will be disclosed. It is clear, that anonymous editing is one of the the aspects of editing pages, since the IP address becomes public by the very nature of that interaction and becomes publicly available data and therefore not covered by this policy, although they may be covered by some other policies (like that one of the OTRS).
However, I do not to understand the which aspects of browsing may constitute publicly available information not covered by this policy. The policy deals extensively with Web server access logs as well as with privacy implications of certain HTTP features like cookies.
So, the question is, which aspects of browsing the Wikimedia sites are not covered by this privacy policy? I understand that this is just list of examples ("...not limited to...") but my understanding to date that all aspects of passive browsing were covered under this policy.
« Saper // @talk » 02:04, 20 May 2009 (UTC)